Malignant Liberal Idiocy

Will Obama Use The Nation Like He Did Illinois?

by Sam Pierce on Oct.17, 2008, under Illinois Libiots, Libiocracy, Libiot Candidates, Marx Worshipping Libiots, Socialist Libiots

As the election draws near, Barack Obama’s satellite campaign offices, or as some call them, media outlets, are trumpeting the coming of greatness. They inundate the airwaves and printed pages with affirmations of Obama’s insurmountable inevitability and slobbering tributes to his cool, calm, presidential demeanor in the so-called “debates.” It must take a great deal of effort for an experienced political scam artist to appear calm under the intense pressure of softball questioning by members of his media fan club. I suppose it would be like one of my children marveling at my ability to answer their questions and how smart I sometimes sound.

Mark Levin and Mike Church both did shows this week that were partially focused on Barack Obama’s use of techniques described in Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals.” You can download Levin’s terrific show from Oct. 14 here. These shows shine a revealing light on the motivation and tactics being so dangerously deployed by Obama in his quest for power. It is about power and control… and it would appear that enough people are willing to forfeit liberty for the sake of “The One.” Barack Obama, in keeping with his Alinsky training, believes the ends justify the means. Therefore, it should not surprise any Illinois citizen that we are seen as nothing more than a set of tools to be used to secure the ultimate end.

I, like the reasonable voters in Illinois (who are of course in the minority), can at least take some solace that I never cast a vote for Barack Obama. If I had voted for the man who would be king during his Senate race, I might be even more disappointed in his using the office as nothing more than preparation for his next election. Then again, of I had been foolish enough to vote for Barack Obama at any point, I would likely believe as his followers apparently do, that he can do no wrong and however he abuses his position is acceptable.

The Washington Post has a piece in today’s Obama campaign release, excuse me… edition, titled, “A Rising Political Star Adopts A Low-key Strategy.” Eli Saslow’s piece is amazing in the way it is likely to be received. Obamorons will read it and marvel at the focus of the man. He had a plan and worked hard to cultivate the necessary image to get to a position to save us all from our liberty. A reasonable person (you’ll notice that I contend that any support of “Big Brother” Barry Obama automatically disqualifies one as a reasonable person) will see how Barack Obama blatantly used his election to the U.S. Senate for nothing more than furthering his own political climb. Again, a reasonable person will see that Barack Obama did not do the work of a senator since taking office, but they will take solace in the fact that at least for most of the last few years we didn’t have two Dick Durbins actively harming our nation while “representing” Illinois.

From Saslow’s piece:

Early in 2005, Barack Obama met with half a dozen advisers in Washington to plot strategy. Some of those who participated remember that the group focused less on the details of Obama’s new job as the junior senator from Illinois than on managing his overall political image. He wanted to run for governor, maybe even president, someday, and preparing required a risky choice between two approaches to Washington.

Obama arrived as a celebrity, a best-selling author whose keynote speech was the only moment Democrats wanted to remember from their 2004 convention. He could capitalize on that reputation by speaking out against the Iraq war, scheduling prime-time television interviews and seizing control of high-profile bills. He could, as one Chicago friend suggested, “go in, do your thing and take the place by storm.”

Or, others advised, Obama could assume the typical role of a freshman senator, maneuvering with deference and humility. By endearing himself to Washington’s elite, he could build the foundation for his future.

“I think it’s important to take it slow,” Obama told his advisers. “I want to be liked.”

Hmm… I guess he didn’t take it slow enough because I don’t like him, but my adoration probably isn’t all that important to the chump of “change.” Thank you Eli Saslow, for slipping such honesty in a rag that is normally reserved for Obama campaign pieces.

With an eye on his next goal, Obama treated the Senate as a bridge to be crossed — a place to learn the conventions of Washington, win powerful friends and shape what advisers referred to as his “political brand.” Despite meager legislative accomplishments, Obama built a reputation among many Democrats as a hard worker, a reformer, an eager learner, a smart politician.

And he did it while maintaining a cool air of detachment, colleagues said. He focused on his professional goals and showed little interest in personal connections not outlined in the plan. In a senatorial culture famous for its chumminess, Obama generally preferred to eat alone and go back to his apartment away from Capitol Hill.

The understated approach was a considerable gamble for Obama at a key juncture in his career, and some old friends from the Illinois legislature worried that he would waste his cachet and chart a path toward obscurity. When they brought their concerns to Obama, he responded simply, “Have faith.” He had his plan, and he intended to stick by it. He would thrive in the Senate by fitting in and not by standing out, by winning over Washington without giving too much of himself.

Saul Alinsky’s best disciple has coldly calculated the shortest distance to the nation’s top office and he seems to have stupefied enough of the electorate to allow his success. My question is, what will be next? Will the presidency be enough for this sinister socialist? Will two terms be enough or will he attempt a Hugo Chavez/Michael Bloomberg type play for abolishing term limits? Will a North American Union become a reality with St. Barack the Divider as some grand emperor?

Is the goal to spread equal misery beyond North America? I think global poverty should be addressed (hey that is one piece of legislation in which “The One” actually took part!) Global poverty can be equalized if Barack Obama can be elevated to some sort of world domination level, somewhere between emperor and God. If Barack “Born Alive, Let Them Die” Obama can ascend to this as of yet unnamed and despite Hitler’s attempts, unattained position, global “social justice” can be realized. If a man has too much, he can have the excess seized for distribution among his global neighbors. We will all work according to our ability toward the greater good of global outcome equity. Of course equal opportunity need not exist in a Utopia where opportunity, itself has been eradicated.

The possibilities for Barack Obama seem terrifyingly limitless. Any chance the majority of voters will vote with their brains on November 4? Of course, even if a majority of real and living voters exercise reason, will it be enough to overcome the votes of the Disney characters and dead people that community organizers like ACORN will be sending to the polls? There is a reason libiots fight voter ID laws after all!

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26 comments for this entry:

  • Jeremy Roebuck
    October 18th, 2008 on 5:42 am

    I don’t understand a couple things here. you seem to have very educated understanding of the facts yet you appear very one sided. How can anyone who is making an educated decision be as such. I’m not looking for a different opinion of the candidate, however, maybe some contrast to how Mr. McCain has run his campaign for a control. I think that voter fraud is serious business and i undestand your attempt to bring this point to light.
    When you bring Mr. Obama’s ethics into question isn’t it only for to do the same for the republican candidate as well. I by no means offer any facts to sway, not the point, but we need more back to back annalysis between both thats straight forward and let logic be your guide.

    Thanks for you article here, I have been enjoying everyone’s passion in this election and look forward to reading much more on these candidates before i make my decision.

  • sepierce
    October 18th, 2008 on 7:19 am

    Jeremy,

    Thank you for your comment. When I write about Barack Obama and others of his ilk, the pieces are very one-sided… my side. Malignant Liberal Idiocy is the title of this blog and I usually try to remain true to it by pointing out Malignant Liberal Idiocy. I also don’t worry too much about side-by-side comparisons unless I feel its warranted. A plea for sanity doesn’t, in my opinion, warrant some side-by-side comparison for the sake of the undecided reader. If an undecided reader (or voter) can still consider “Big Brother” Barack “Born Alive, Let Them Die” Obama after learning what little can be learned about him, then I don’t believe any side-by-side comparison will overcome such a flaw.

  • Roger E
    October 18th, 2008 on 8:04 am

    I’m Baaaaackkkk!. Just flew in from the East coast, yes the one that Sarah Palin keeps referring to as those Eastern out of touch liberals. Were talking a whole coast here I assume. Of course we know where the West coast stands, and with your condemnation of Illinois (midwest) I wonder just who you are trying to appeal to. I mean I think there must be some kind of purpose in your collection of right wing bobble head talking points other than to alienate most of the country?

    Now that I am home I will continue on the conversation we were having on another thread, but of course you must realize as a person who said you don’t like Bush or McCain, that not everyone leaning toward Obama, like say Powell or Bufffet for example to name two is fully in agreement with all of his campaign rhetoric. They like most of the rest of us are trying to sort out the real issues, not collect right wing mantras to chant every morning.

    I will say this. As I told my wife, whoever gets elected will need the support of the population to find common ground on the issues that have brought us to the precipice of disintegration. I hope that the election will mark the end of this nonsense and an effort on the part of every citizen to understand the real issues rather than the blather and find common ground to work on them. Otherwise we should dissolve the union and declare each state an country of it’s own and let all the lefties and the righties find a Island where they all can agree with each other and leave the task of finding consenses and utting our sholders into moving us forward to those who really care, not just those you like to hear themselves talk.

    Being a global player, not an isolationist country is of course the only way forward, and a country without economic strength is a house of cards regardless of how big their military is or how many great weapons they have. Look at the former USSR, when they went broke form Afghanistan occupation they sold all those war toys to the highest bidder so they could eat. We are involved in two such wars with a thousand years of religious hatred and infighting. McCain says he will “win” and end all that, and Palin says they will clear up the national debt in the next four years (11 Trillion???). Meanwhile we nationalize the banks, abolish civil rights (yours and mine i. e. Patriot Act). give unprecedented power to the executive branch and play games with the economy to make the lobbyists happy.

    In the background we pay off everyones mortgages (except of course those who are not in foreclosure) send everyone a fat check for health-insurance and cut taxes for one and all. I don’t question you fan’s impression of your “very educated understanding”, but just where are they going to get the fairy dust?

  • sepierce
    October 18th, 2008 on 9:09 am

    Let me just say that I will not muzzle my opinion to appeal to the majority of the electorate. I don’t give a damn if the elite Obammunists or the unwitting Obammunists that will be imprisoned by the effects of Marxism find my words appealing! Honest opinion is not to be watered-down to appeal to Obamorons.

    Let me tell you what the real issues are… whatever an individual thinks they are! I’ll focus on the issues I care about, thank you. There may be some degree of unity in misery once Obama gets the ball rolling with a socialist majority in both the house and the senate. I will never stifle my opinion in order to to aid a facade of unity!

    You invoke the former USSR and yet you would have us replicate their path and become the USSA!

  • Roger E
    October 18th, 2008 on 3:03 pm

    Not at all, and I am not assuming that Obama wins. I have see too many elections to suggest that chad’s or tens of thousands of suddenly disappearing legitimate registrations will not affect the outcome.

    The paranoid delusions of those who claim Obama is a Marxist, or a Arab, or a Muslim must be allowed to continue as well as all the other fringe rants left and right.

    chicken little still has a home in the US because Cheney failed to get the job done thank God of bestowing divine emperor status on the President.

    All I am suggesting is that those who really care about this country do more than try to further divide it on issues that can find no common ground and instead engage in constructive dialog on how to address the common issues we all face while there still is a government. The USSR fell apart because they put the needs of the elite above the rest, spent far more on military than they could afford and failed in the most basic ways to meet the day to day needs of citizens or their future (like education)

    If you have read my suggested author Aynn Rand you know my feelings about communism.

    Words are words, actions are actions. I do not care about the eloquence or lack thereof of your words.

    McCain or Obama, whomever wins needs a chance to right the ship and a willingness on the part of all citizens to try to find common ground. Or we can all fiddle while Rome burns. Your choice where you fall, my words and actions will be to try and heal the divide so craftily created between the left and right and bring as many as I can reach back to the middle and reality. The only way to do that is to do research and use the words of the culprits and the rant rags of the far right to demonstrate the truth. You can not discredit either of the extremist sides by quoting propaganda from the other, you must use sources recognized as credible by the audience you are trying to reach. A blog full of inflammatory rhetoric does as much good and converting people to your views as the zealous prophet in the town square yelling about Armageddon tomorrow does for bringing people to God.

    The only socialist actions I have seen as of late has come from the White House. Nationalization of the banks for example. Increasing the tax breaks for the wealthy (from previous levels pre Bush era) while putting the burden on the middle class creates a whole new serfdom and elitist culture regardless of what you have been told. That is meant as a helpful hint by the way.

    We have for generations lived in a country where common aspects of our well-being are socialized, for example the building of the Bridge to Nowhere that Palin was for before she was against. She decided not to build it when it became nationally unpopular, but she kept the Federal money out of your pocket and mine anyway. Or labor unions. Or no consequence welfare. I am not against helping the poor, but I think that they should earn their assistance in the form of community service. We can not continue to ignore the right to healthcare and education, everyone recognizes that and it is why given the choice of continuing on our current path or electing a Black man, most of the country is saying they will take a chance on him. Calling Obama and his background elitist, while suggesting that McCain is the common guy is ludicrous. Yes Obama may be smarter and better educated, but if you want a war against the educated and intellectuals you should watch the “Killing Fields”. The notion that being below average is a good qualification for Presidency started with “W”. I don’t buy it.

    The very reason that McCain wants to give us all $5K for healthcare (as a credit which by the way does nothing for those retired or the unemployed) and then Tax the hell out of corporate provided healthcare benefits is to get rid of the financial burden on our corporations which we must bake into our product pricing. This burden makes us uncooperative with the rest of the world who have socialized medicine. Call it what you want, it is still socialization, shifting the cost to the taxpayer. Why not recognize it for what it is and then look around the world for a model that does work, like Germany or Switzerland’s. People from all over the world to Switzerland to pay for the very best that the medical profession has to offer and that every Swiss citizen gets for free.

    The facade of unity will not save us from ourselves, only a shift in thinking to the middle and common ground will. In a catastrophe nobody asks what the person digging for bodies in the rubble next to them thinks about abortion or gay marriage, or whether they believe in “trickle-down economics” or the tooth fairy. they simply get to work. We better start to think along those lines if we want to remain relevant in the world.

  • sepierce
    October 18th, 2008 on 3:38 pm

    You are nuts, I didn’t claim McCain was a regular guy. He is simply a politician that is not as dangerous as Obama. Throwing the socialist activities of The Bush Administration might have an effect… if I supported them! Why don’t you pull your head out of the dark, smelly place before you read next time?

    I am still confused as to how punishing the successful with progressive and business deterring taxation helps the “middle class” you and Obama (in true Alinsky form) speak of? You should realize that over-taxation and over-regulation reduces jobs. But you don’t care if people are able to support themselves as long as they are unified.

    Switzerland, are you insane? Give as much of your income to the government as you want, but keep your filthy paws off mine!

  • Roger E
    October 19th, 2008 on 12:17 am

    You don’t know much about the world outside of the US. Have you ever traveled abroad? How many countries outside this continent? Do you have a passport? Typical of the neo-con. I bet you know nothing of the Swiss program for healthcare, you simply espouse answer number 12 from the neo-con for dummies handbook.

    Fair share is not punishment. I paid 1.1 million in taxes over 5 years at one point. I was happy to do it. It meant I was prospering. When the bulk of the tax burden falls on the middle-class, whether you are sober enough today to recognize it or not, it is truly you who are getting f’ed. If you don’t know it you are naive. You would be surprised to hear how much thew top line (income) was what percentage of it I paid in taxes during that period. And I didn’t even push the envelope and made sure my CPA firm walked a line that was only moderately aggressive.

    GM and Chrysler will merge, or Chrysler will fail. Doesn’t this even bother you considering that your company serves the auto industry in the US? Man I hope you and those beautiful kids don’t get hurt, but if our manufacturing industry continues along this path who will turn off the lights? We need to compete. You do not answer any of my attempts at making you give a thoughtful response in a meaningful way. You just fall back on Obama rhetoric and regenerated McCarthyism and Hoover mania. We all know what Hoover was really trying to hide though.

    There are times when you seem to have lucid moments. At those times I think I kind of like you. Then you go rabid again.

    What do you hope to accomplish with that approach? It is far from constructive. Maybe you use it for relief from the frightening prospects ahead. A form of therapy. When I feel like that I take a few firearms out into the desert with a couple of quads and shoot at targets of Osama and rip up the sand.

  • sepierce
    October 19th, 2008 on 7:42 am

    I have a passport and pray to God I never have to use it. I’ve never traveled to any other country and thank you for proving your elitist snobbery. A little honesty from you is refreshing. I must say, in my humble opinion, it would be nice if the next time you are traveling the globe and you find the perfect socialist Utopia, you decide to stay there and spare our country your attempts to flush it.

    Why are Chrysler, GM, Ford, and other American manufacturers having trouble? Their major obvious problems are exactly those that you seem to want multiplied! How will increasing the power of business killing labor unions be good for American manufacturing? How will increasing taxes be good for American manufacturing? How will increased environmentalist oppression be good for American manufacturing? See a pattern here, Roger? Or does your elitist world view put you above such things?

    If I haven’t told you (and if I haven’t, my mistake), I don’t really give a damn if some elitist snot finds my writing constructive or worthwhile. Your liberty loss goals have not yet been met so you are still free to make some of your own choices (and take responsibility for some of your own choices.) You can always exercise that liberty and not read my posts.

  • Roger E
    October 19th, 2008 on 9:55 am

    I enjoy this dialog and really try to get to a point where we discuss the issues, not banter with demeaning lefty righty crap.

    If as you wish all the people who disagree with your myopic perspective leave the country for good did leave, the rest of you would really be in trouble and very quick (Atlas Shrugged). If you can’t even deal with me, a slightly left leaning conservative and strong capitalist who has contributed in a far reaching way to productivity and wealth generated in this country, then you have no hope of finding common ground with anyone outside your little club (you and the other you’s).

    There are many of us who are and have been strong contributers to this capitalist society that recognize a need for course correction. Gulliani today says that there are people in both parties that have gone to far to the left and too far to the right. I agree with him on this, but more importantly, today an icon of the conservative right spoke out. General Powel said he has “heard senior members of my own party drop the suggestion [that Obama is] a Muslim and might be associated with terrorists.”
    “This is not the way we should be doing it in America. I feel strongly about this particular point,” Powell said. “We have got to stop polarizing ourselves in this way. And John McCain is as non-discriminatory as anyone I know. But I’m troubled about the fact that within the party, we have these kinds of expressions.”

    He then went on to endorse Obama as the most qualified candidate and an “electrifying” choice for President.

    I don’t believe anyone who knows me would consider me an elitist snob. I have people in my close circle of family and friends who would agree with some of your views, but strongly condemn your junk yard dog approach to expressing them. What those who know me who disagree with some of my views do say is “if your going to argue with Roger, you better know what you are talking about and be well prepared to back up your argument with verifiable facts.” I like that and I believe that debate with mutual respect and growth on both sides of the debate is what this country is about and what has made us great.

    In your “love my views or get out” little world view there is no room for people “not like me”. I suggest that you might be the one who would be happier on a Island populated with similarly insecure people that don’t like to be challenged.

    If there is one thing I am it is honest and have been totally honest with you about my views and how and why they have been forged irrespective of your insults, attempts to stuff me into a box, and label me as a nut. I can only think that the real purpose of your blog is to talk to yourself and agree with the other you’s. If you would prefer I stop presenting the opposing view just say so. Then you can go back to the flat forum where you express your opinion, a person or two tell you you are great and nobody really pays attention.

    You see nobody cares what the nuts on the left, or the nuts on the right has to say anymore.

  • sepierce
    October 19th, 2008 on 10:14 am

    Neither pro-choice (infanticide) Republicans you mentioned would ever get my vote for anything. I have a conscience. Colin Powell always struck me as a left-leaning RINO and I assumed there was ire behind all the smoke regarding his possible endorsement of Obammunism.

    Rog, you will always be welcome to blather here, just do not expect me to alter my style to please you or anyone else. Shocking as it may be, I am not seeking your approval.

  • Roger E
    October 20th, 2008 on 8:43 am

    Thanks,

    The family members I mentioned contrary to your assuption are strongly anti-choice. They I suspect would even be against terminating the pregnancy of the 9 year old recently reported in the news as empregnated by her step-father. Yet we remain close and a family. Th eUSA used to be that way, it was healthy. That shift to extremism is what Powell was talking about that bothered him.

    Powell was mainstream in Reagan and Bush administrations. As a General (you may be to young to remember) he was regarded as a bastion of military thought and came up with war doctrines used to this day. Few of in GOP leadership would dare even suggest he is a lefty. Calling him leftist is like callin Warren Buffet a socialist just because he endorsed Obama. It’s silliness.

    A little test on Socialism for fun.

    What do you call a campaign that is federally funded rather than privately funded?

    What do you call a government that buys banks?

    What do you call a system that uses federal funds to build special interest bridges?

    What do you call a system that wants to buy the loans from homeowners and own the housing?

    Now considering those four lets answer the following two:

    What do you call a system that fails to provide assistance to it’s youngest and poorest in terms of educating them for the future, while providing the richest with tax breaks and loopholes?

    What to you call a system that lets those with psychological or mental health problems lives under bridges, or fails to provide the oldest and the youngest or the poorest with adequate healthcare while rebuilding theocratic nations overseas?

    The only answer I can find that fits all these policies into one structure of government would have to include the words hypocrisy and greed.

    I did not suggest you are seeking my approval, I asked what are you trying to accomplish? An out of the box confrontational style that maneuvers around question rather than answering them gets little attention from anyone.

  • Roger E
    October 20th, 2008 on 8:46 am

    BTW Sam, that is the reason McCain’s campaign is foundering. You can see a direct correlation between his free-fall in the polls and his recent shift to an attack dog strategy.

  • Roger E
    October 20th, 2008 on 8:58 am

    I forgot to respond to your comment on killing labor unions. This is extremely surpassing to me to find you are pro-union. The old socialist movements during and after the depression were founded in the unions. There is no better example of socialist thinking in this country than union mentality. Reagan did his best to break their backs. The are strongest in Cuba and Venezuela (your favorite) and other socialized countries. even France. They have contributed largely to the costs and uncompetitive nature of the auto industry in this country, that and forcing corporations to provide healthcare in a world where it is not part of the manufacturing cost structure of the rest of the automakers. I find it difficult to reconcile your anti socialist rhetoric and pro union stance.

  • sepierce
    October 20th, 2008 on 7:18 pm

    Roger,

    You misread me or I screwed up royally if you think I am pro-union. My wife pointed out that the confusion is probably from when I wrote “business killing labor unions” which should probably read “business-killing labor unions.” I was saying that unions kill businesses.

    Your Socialism test illustrates a fundamental difference between you and I. I realize who is doing those things and I detest them for it. This does not mean that I could support someone as radical as Obama just because the current RINO administration, a majority of RINO legislators, and King RINO John McCain pass and support stupid and socialist policies.

    To me principles still matter and Barack says he wants to take from those who earn and “spread the wealth around.” Barack has had a LONG-TERM relationship with Bill Ayers, which is unforgivable. BTW, Powell’s dismissing the Ayers association is proof of his character deficiency. Have you ever listened to Obama?

    Of course Obama’s disgusting stance on innocent life is an automatic disqualifier as a president or even as a human being! Powell also showed his true detestable colors when he spoke about his discomfort with the the thought of two more conservative (constitution preserving)Supreme Court appointments. The man wants liberal judicial activists on the court!

    Gee, a billionaire supports a socialist for president. Is it possible he can absorb some of the hits produced by socialist policies while smaller competitors can’t and therefore he benefits? He got a good deal on Goldman-Sachs didn’t he?

    I am trying to accomplish the typing of the words to convey the thoughts I want to express and the presentation of those words such that anyone who cares to, can read them and if the mood strikes, comment. I don’t expect to sway a person that could find Barack Obama in any way acceptable. I don’t expect to sway a person that believes Colin Powell couldn’t reasonably be called a “lefty.” I don’t expect to sway a person that believes a billionaire might approve of socialism, safe in the knowledge that it won’t hurt him.

    This may be something like therapy, after all, I can’t afford quads or trips into the desert… and with the threat of Obammunism, I won’t be making any unnecessary purchases.

  • Roger E
    October 23rd, 2008 on 11:38 pm

    I have decided that I like you when you stop the right wing lingo and start to speak and think for yourself. I have a background deeply entrenched in Christianity. I was raised to be a Minister. From the time I can remember I went to church as often as I went to school. My sister became an ordained minister and theologian. I have studied every belief system from shamanism to Buddhism to Catholithism (to name a few). I think we can have some interesting conversations on that subject. I recently visited the Vatican and St Peters Cathedral, ancient Buddhist temples in Japan and hundreds of years old churches around Europe. and came away with some strong impressions I could share. I suspect you are Catholic, but I could be wrong.

    In addition to my lifelong passion and career in science, technology and physics, which I suspect may not be as interesting to you, I can discuss how I solved the schism of Darwin and Genesis to my own satisfaction, as I like to say “my God is just smarter than yours” meaning he created the laws of physics and knew what he was doing in terms of evolution.

    One of my big passions is the constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights. So much can be learned from studying the letters the framers wrote to each other while trying to resolve the differences between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalist. It’s helpful in understanding the beauty of the document and the great melding of differences to forge a nation.

    My passion for history lies mostly in the 1500’s to 1600’s. Charles the 12th, Peter the Great and the “Sun King”. In fact all the great empires, how they rose and why they fell (which has a definite pattern that applies today).

    Of course we could constrain the conversation to the stupidity of current politics and this election, but my interests and what I find interesting is to find people who are broader than that and understand what has brought us to this point in history and why we believe and act the way we do even though we may just be repeating history and destroying ourselves from within.

    I am not BTW in favor of abortion. I have six grandchildren that are dear to me. My daughters pregnancies were not good news and I questioned their judgement in not quickly terminating them. Today they are the joy of my life and I have had to rethink my position. I still come to the singular point that I could never have had to carry a child, go through with the risks, alter my life and bring a child into the world that may be saddled with terrible self inflicted problems like crack babies, etc. My position today is that I am not a woman, am not and never was in a position to face those issues and make those choices. I guess I am in favor of putting a National referendum on it where only women get to vote. It is a totally different issue for us males than it is for the women who have to decide whether they can or should have a child. I know this will be the single thing you respond to after all the other things I mentioned that I would like to discuss. I think we are deadlocked on that so I suggest we go into other important topics that may make or break our success as a Nation and where we may be able to find common ground before it is too late.

    Like I said, whether Obama or McCain wins, how we react as a Nation to solving the other issues is what will make us great again, or another footnote. Once we solve those issues and are on stable ground again, maybe we can find some solutions that are acceptable to the majority regarding abortion and gay marriage, which the RINO’s and the Neo-con’s and the lefties and the liberals have used so effectively to elect the people who have got us into this mess.

    I am preparing a little white paper on the various forms conservatism for you. It may be a bit before I can post it, I am traveling again.

    So have you ever wondered what “i zwicky 18″ is?

  • sepierce
    October 30th, 2008 on 5:28 pm

    I am Catholic.

    I am interested in Physics (some knowledge of Physics comes in handy in machine design and specification in case you are wondering.)

    I don’t think the killing of the innocent is strictly a woman’s issue.

    Yes, I have wondered what “i zwicky 18″ is.

  • Roger E
    November 1st, 2008 on 12:54 am

    i Zwicky 18 is the youngest known galaxy in the universe. See at:

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap041203.html

    I know a great deal about machine design and specification. All of my patents relate to machine design in fact. Physics and the history of the great minds in physics are big interests of mine. I voted today, some Republican’s, some Democrats and an Independent.

    So after the election physics could be a useful discussion point to broaden your blog.

    On Catholicism, Who was the first Pope? And why was confession established? You might be interested.

  • sepierce
    November 1st, 2008 on 7:39 am

    Roger,

    I know who the first Pope was.

    If I think of a way to use physics to describe the malignant idiocy of liberals and the potentially disastrous affects of their policies I will apply it here. If not, it wouldn’t really fit the theme.

  • Roger E
    November 2nd, 2008 on 3:02 am

    Then you know he was a Roman Emperor (Constantine) around 300-400 AD, NOT St Peter as the church would suggest. Peter neither knew he was a Pope or a Christian. He, Christ and his other followers thought they were Jews, silly them.

    I would assume then that you also know that confession and succession were ways to get a handle on the out of control underground movement of the followers of the most liberal man to walk the planet; who detested rich people. The original Socialist and redistributor in chief was Christ himself. The idea that only the Pope can talk to God and all sins must be communicated through his Hierarchy (succession) to him for forgiveness was Roman, from the same fun bunch of gluttons that brought to you the crucifixion. Oh and don’t forget “Simony” so the church can add a few gold ornaments to the lair of the Emperor turned God. You should see the Vatican and the collection of art and wealth amassed on the back of the poor fishermen who faithfully donated the few coins they had (and still do) to support this royal palace. Of course being Lutheran, this is probably what you would expect me to say. But Sammy, do you ask forgiveness for the lies you spread and the hate you spew when you go to confess? Curious.

    Peter would be throwing balls of fire into the gilded shrine built in his name if he saw the bling. He would have surely objected to the enormous marble statues of Popes positioned seated in front of Christ (in the background) hanging around on a cross.

    Don’t ya think??

    As for physics, I was just suggesting ways you might apply your interest in blogging after the election is over and the country, the economy and the world starts to recover and heal from the policies of the far-right. When your current themes of doom caused by the evil one (Barrack) seem ludicrous to the casual observer, you might want to consider some new ideas.

    Just a thought buddy.

  • sepierce
    November 2nd, 2008 on 7:28 am

    My wife asked me to request that you stop preaching about Catholicism from your Lutheran pulpit.

    I likely won’t be able to afford internet service after losing my job and since there will be no comparable jobs to be had, I won’t need to worry about the relevance of my posts.

  • Roger E
    November 4th, 2008 on 2:03 am

    Okay, I’ll change the subject, but it’s not Lutheran ramblings of course you know, it’s history.

    Hey Sammy, guess what I did tonight. I went with my far right Republican brother and his family to a rally. As Hank Jr. said it’s a “Family Tradition” (TIC). That’s right, big John came to town tonight. I live in Prescott (just outside in the hills). I snuck in though, wasn’t about to contribute.

  • sepierce
    November 4th, 2008 on 6:26 am

    Roger, as impressed as you may be with your intellect, your history (real or invented,) and your prowess with blow-up life-partners… I find myself unmoved.

  • Roger E
    November 5th, 2008 on 3:05 am

    blah blah blah. What a hack…

    I actually thought maybe there was something behind all your blather besides seething little man syndrome. Belittling my accomplishments, demeaning my wife, insulting my intelligence does nothing Sammy to make you look smarter, stronger, faster, just smaller minded.

    This is no fun anymore. Better stick to your script.

  • sepierce
    November 5th, 2008 on 7:27 am

    Sorry Roger, if visiting MY blog doesn’t stroke your ego sufficiently perhaps you should stroke it elsewhere. It would however, be tragic if I no longer have your commentary to skim.

  • John Simpson
    November 16th, 2008 on 9:50 am

    Interesting how the discussion degrades to into name-calling. One thing this election has shown is that the American people can rise over this sort of thing.

  • sepierce
    November 16th, 2008 on 9:57 am

    John,

    To quote the pastor of hate, Rev. Jeremiah Wright: “Naw! Naw! Naw!” This election displayed no rising of any sort. This election displayed the sinking of a nation (and of course the coming out of the closet by the Obama media.)

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